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I think your notion that “good-bad” judgements are the driving force of increased docility in social structures is sufficiently far-fetched that it needs some stronger argumentation rather than a simple proclamation. You don't have to judge somebody as “bad” to not promote this person to a position of power.
 
I think your notion that “good-bad” judgements are the driving force of increased docility in social structures is sufficiently far-fetched that it needs some stronger argumentation rather than a simple proclamation. You don't have to judge somebody as “bad” to not promote this person to a position of power.
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You say that “this change [for increasing numbers of people to overcome these primordial reflexes of attraction and repulsion and to consciously choose more fruitful ways to interact] will also be subject to positive feed back mechanisms that will make it progressively easier for people to adopt novel ways to interact, once certain critical numbers have been reached.” Which specific positive feedback mechanisms are you referring to? I'm not aware of any such positive feedback mechanisms that would counter nepotism, xenophobia and tribalism.
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=== Father's Day feedback on ''Dealing with other aspects of Self-Blindness'' ===
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For this section, I'll pick apart the following particularly troublesome paragraph:
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: “Since Self-Blindness is one of the main ingredients for the structures that keep humanity bound in slavery and neuroticism [1], it is of great importance [2], and very urgent at that [3], that we collectively try as quickly and as effectively as we can, to come to grips with this typically human behavioural bias. If we wish to create a more agreeable world, we do have to take this hurdle [4]. There is no escape from that necessity [5]. In the above mentioned chapter on this Wiki it is argued that we should start a research discipline that is fully dedicated to create clarity and scientific insight in these aspects of Self-Blindness. In that chapter it is suggested to label such a research discipline as "Amathology" or "the science of ignorance" [6].”
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[1] Do you have any proof that humans that are less self-blind are in fact to a lesser degree bound by slavery and neutoricism? And do such individual in fact exist? How would you test/quantify this?
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[2] Why is it important that we become more aware of our self-blindness?
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[3] What is the urgency?
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[4] Again, on which basis do you assume that a world with more awareness of our self-blindness is a more agreeable world?
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[5] Nowhere (in this article) have I seen you do the work to flesh out various possible scenarios for a more agreeable future.
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[6] How could I not be in favor of more research. All this leaves me with are questions. ;-)
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Revision as of 19:12, 18 June 2017

Critical feedback based on Father's Day 2017 version

After repeated requests from User:Baby Boy for some critical notes on this article, I've picked Father's Day 2017 to start critically reading and responding. --BigSmoke (talk) 09:39, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Father's Day feedback on: Introduction

The introduction is very long-winded. Twelve paragraphs are used to convey the following information:

Too much time is spent to convince the reader of the uniqueness of the information compiled on this wiki, and the unique, elite combination of mentality and intelligence that is required to follow the argumentation.

Father's Day feedback on: Lost perspectives, . . . . . what next ?

This section is quite readable and does entice the reader—me, at least—to continue to the rest of the article. It feels more like an appetizer than the first section, because it makes less of an appeal to the reader to join the “exclusive, smart, original” tribe, which, frankly, comes across as narcissistic and childish.

Father's Day feedback on: New facts we need to take into account

Although I disagree with (the factuality of) some of the basic premises, I like how they are summarized here. I've gone over the sources of disagreement with User:Baby Boy before, but not in this medium. Perhaps, next Father's Day, if I feel brave enough, I will provide some critical feedback on A guided tour through the Omega Research Wiki.

Father's Day feedback on: From fact-finding to courses of action

The four paragraphs could easily be reduced to two, and the first 3 are too long anyway. You lose precision because you are trying to be accurate and exhaustive. What is it precisely that you are tring to convey at this point in the story?

Father's Day feedback on: Democratization of education (1st issue)

Most of your readers, including me, wouldn't object to the notion that the democratization of education leads to less talent going to waste, but I don't understand the point of this section.

  • Are you claiming that education is being democratized world-wide? If so, I'm missing numbers.
  • Are you merely stating that, following Point Omega, education will inevitably be democratized?

Father's Day feedback on: Transparency (2nd issue)

Again, there's a whole lot of talk, but it's not clear where you want to go (except by implication).

  • Are you claiming that transparency is, on the whole, increasing?
  • If so, can you substantiate this claim?
  • Are you claiming that communication technology is making people freeer, rather than serving as an extra means of solidifying existing power structures?
  • If (certain) power structures are becoming unstable, how do you know that this is due to increased transparency and not just to the built-in periodical cycles of upheaval that you later mention?

Father's Day feedback on: Procreating consciously (3rd issue)

Are you claiming that we currently have the knowledge to predict all possible genetic and birth defects, based on embryonic screening? Your case would be much stronger with at least a percentage of types of avoidable genetic conditions. Also, there's the case of general fitness: intelligence, physical stamina, strength, available energy, etc. are all influenced by a large number of genes, most of which are not readily recognizable. My point is that, without strong evolutionary pressures, you may very well have a gradual decline of qualities which would influence fitness in a harsher environment, even if everybody has access to genetic planning (and is encouraged by their culture to utilize this).

Father's Day feedback on Avoiding Good-Bad social reflexes (4th issue)

I think your notion that “good-bad” judgements are the driving force of increased docility in social structures is sufficiently far-fetched that it needs some stronger argumentation rather than a simple proclamation. You don't have to judge somebody as “bad” to not promote this person to a position of power.

You say that “this change [for increasing numbers of people to overcome these primordial reflexes of attraction and repulsion and to consciously choose more fruitful ways to interact] will also be subject to positive feed back mechanisms that will make it progressively easier for people to adopt novel ways to interact, once certain critical numbers have been reached.” Which specific positive feedback mechanisms are you referring to? I'm not aware of any such positive feedback mechanisms that would counter nepotism, xenophobia and tribalism.

Father's Day feedback on Dealing with other aspects of Self-Blindness

For this section, I'll pick apart the following particularly troublesome paragraph:

“Since Self-Blindness is one of the main ingredients for the structures that keep humanity bound in slavery and neuroticism [1], it is of great importance [2], and very urgent at that [3], that we collectively try as quickly and as effectively as we can, to come to grips with this typically human behavioural bias. If we wish to create a more agreeable world, we do have to take this hurdle [4]. There is no escape from that necessity [5]. In the above mentioned chapter on this Wiki it is argued that we should start a research discipline that is fully dedicated to create clarity and scientific insight in these aspects of Self-Blindness. In that chapter it is suggested to label such a research discipline as "Amathology" or "the science of ignorance" [6].”

[1] Do you have any proof that humans that are less self-blind are in fact to a lesser degree bound by slavery and neutoricism? And do such individual in fact exist? How would you test/quantify this?

[2] Why is it important that we become more aware of our self-blindness?

[3] What is the urgency?

[4] Again, on which basis do you assume that a world with more awareness of our self-blindness is a more agreeable world?

[5] Nowhere (in this article) have I seen you do the work to flesh out various possible scenarios for a more agreeable future.

[6] How could I not be in favor of more research. All this leaves me with are questions. ;-)


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Father's Day feedback on: Relax .......... we can afford it now

You whole wiki is organized around the idea that a Point Omega is inevitable, yet this article, at many points, comes across as trying to preach action and instill urgency. Why? You say: “Relax .......... we can afford it now.” But, this is not the attitude that the rest of your article purveys. That attitude is rather: “Listen to me! It's important! We have to save the world!”